<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2577673389691344419</id><updated>2011-04-21T17:17:17.443-04:00</updated><category term='Col. Steve David'/><category term='McCain'/><category term='Abu Ghraib'/><category term='detainees'/><category term='Gitmo'/><category term='Torture'/><category term='Three Kings'/><category term='FBI'/><category term='John Yoo'/><category term='Ibrahim Ahmed Mahmoud al Qosi'/><category term='Jon Stewart'/><category term='Ahmed Darbi'/><category term='Pillage'/><category term='War Crimes'/><category term='The Terrorist Watch'/><category term='Guantanamo'/><category term='CIA'/><category term='Obama'/><category term='political football'/><category term='Non-Combatant Execution'/><category term='Deciders'/><category term='Marines'/><category term='Christopher Edley Jr.'/><category term='Clinton'/><category term='Karpinski'/><category term='Waterboarding'/><category term='Religious Right'/><category term='UC-Berkeley'/><category term='Ronald Kessler'/><category term='Rumsfeld'/><title type='text'>Creeco's Catastrophe</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Creeco</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11612111982896714908</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>14</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2577673389691344419.post-2388411971809537981</id><published>2008-04-13T14:15:00.008-04:00</published><updated>2008-04-13T14:59:14.795-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jon Stewart'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Torture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='John Yoo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='UC-Berkeley'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Deciders'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christopher Edley Jr.'/><title type='text'>UC-Berkeley Law School on Tenured Professor John Yoo</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/SAJWu6BkksI/AAAAAAAAACM/28WDIEQUeR4/s1600-h/edley.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 162px; height: 220px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/SAJWu6BkksI/AAAAAAAAACM/28WDIEQUeR4/s200/edley.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5188805084534051522" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;Well, the answer to one of my questions has been answered.  A few days ago I blogged about John Yoo's position at UC-Berkeley and how this seems kind of odd given the school's somewhat liberal past (and present for that matter).  Anyway, I found this article about the law school's dean making some comments about Yoo.  Like I said before, I'm sure Yoo is a brilliant man, but I would want to keep him as far from my school as possible given the context of Yoo's memo.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems as though Christopher Edley Jr. (the &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:placetype st="on"&gt;School&lt;/st1:placetype&gt; of &lt;st1:placename st="on"&gt;Law Dean&lt;/st1:placename&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; at UC-Berkeley) takes great issue with Yoo's judgments but is somehow able to deflect the blame to the administration and the heads of Justice and Defense rather than Yoo himself.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;Edley said, "Assuming one believes as I do that Professor Yoo offered bad ideas and even worse advice during his government service, that judgment alone would not warrant dismissal or even a potentially chilling inquiry," and, "President Bush and his national security appointees were the deciders."  (Apparently Edley watches The Daily Show with Jon Stewart)  In his defense, I agree with Edley, that it's important for the sake of academic freedom to have differing views, but I think Yoo's memo goes beyond "academic freedom" and differing views.  Edley made a key observation, saying Yoo chose to allow politics to triumph over law; I couldn't agree more.  I just don't see how someone like Yoo, who manipulates the law to terrible political ends, offers "academic freedom" within the framework of law.  Furthermore, why do we want someone like that teaching future lawyers to manipulate and interpret law to the degree he did in his torture memo?  Perhaps as a worst-case scenario, or, a what-not-to-do example?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God help us all if he's teaching "Ethics in Law".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;Berkeley Dean Defends  Law Professor &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pamela Hess, Associated Press,&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://ap.google.com/" target="_blank"&gt;AP.Google.com&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;11 April  2008&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;WASHINGTON (AP) — The law professor  who wrote one of the seminal "torture memos" that cleared  the way for harsh and what critics call abusive and illegal interrogation  techniques is safe in his job, the dean of the school says. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;University of California-Berkeley School  of Law Dean Christopher Edley Jr. took sharp exception to Professor  John Yoo's legal analysis for the Bush administration's Justice Department  in a message posted on the school's Web site. But Edley said the responsibility  for any resulting breaches of law rested with Yoo's clients — then-Defense  Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and President Bush.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;"Yes, it does matter that Yoo was  an adviser, but President Bush and his national security appointees  were the deciders," Edley wrote.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;"Assuming one believes as I do that  Professor Yoo offered bad ideas and even worse advice during his government  service, that judgment alone would not warrant dismissal or even a potentially  chilling inquiry," he said.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Yoo wrote a secret memo for the Pentagon  dated March 14, 2003, which the Pentagon released last week under a  Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. It outlines the legal justification  for military interrogators to use harsh tactics against al-Qaida and  Taliban detainees overseas — so long as they did not specifically  intend to torture their captives.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Yoo also referenced one of his earlier  legal theories, now repudiated by the Justice Department: that the U.S.  military was not required to observe constitutional protections against  unlawful searches and seizures during domestic operations.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;He built upon an earlier Justice Department  memo that he helped draft which narrowly defined torture, and lowered  the bar for how so-called enemy combatants could be treated.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;"My sense is that the vast majority  of legal academics with a view of the matter disagree with substantial  portions of Professor Yoo's analyses, including a great many of his  colleagues at Berkeley," Edley wrote. "If, however, this strong  consensus were enough to fire or sanction someone, then academic freedom  would be meaningless," he added.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;While affirming Yoo's right to continue  teaching at Berkeley and practicing law, Edley said Yoo had allowed  politics to triumph over law.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;"What troubles me substantively  with the analyses in the memoranda is that they reduce the Rule of Law  to the Reign of Politics. I believe there is much more to the separation  of powers than the promise of ultimate remedies like the ballot box  and impeachment, even in the case of a Commander in Chief during war.  And I believe that the revolution in sensibilities after 9/11 demands  greater, not reduced, vigilance for constitutional rights and safeguards,"  Edley stated.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;In an e-mail to The Associated Press,  Yoo declined to answer questions or comment specifically on Edley's  memo.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;"I am enjoying my teaching, research  and writing at UC Berkeley, as I always have since 1993," he said.  "I have always enjoyed the company of liberals, and while I cannot  speak for them, I am sure they are not threatened by having a lonely  conservative voice on the faculty."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Yoo received tenure at Berkeley in 1999.  He took a leave of absence from 2001 to 2003 to serve as deputy assistant  attorney general in the Office of Legal Counsel and returned to the  school in 2004.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The House Judiciary Committee has asked  Yoo to testify May 6 on the recently released memo, threatening to subpoena  him if he refuses.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;On Friday, Committee Chairman John Conyers,  D-Mich., expanded the list of invited witnesses, noting AP and ABC News  reports this week that top members of the Bush administration signed  off on specific, harsh interrogation techniques. Conyers' list includes  former Attorney General John Ashcroft, former CIA Director George Tenet,  former Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith, Chief of Staff to the  Vice President David Addington and former Assistant Attorney General  Daniel Levin. Conyers said the committee will subpoena the officials  if they refuse to appear voluntarily.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Copyright © 2008 The Associated Press.  All rights reserved.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2577673389691344419-2388411971809537981?l=creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/feeds/2388411971809537981/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2577673389691344419&amp;postID=2388411971809537981' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/2388411971809537981'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/2388411971809537981'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/2008/04/uc-berkeley-law-school-on-tenured.html' title='UC-Berkeley Law School on Tenured Professor John Yoo'/><author><name>Creeco</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11612111982896714908</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/SAJWu6BkksI/AAAAAAAAACM/28WDIEQUeR4/s72-c/edley.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2577673389691344419.post-7099385415767890657</id><published>2008-04-10T18:06:00.006-04:00</published><updated>2008-04-10T18:18:16.105-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Guantanamo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gitmo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='detainees'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ahmed Darbi'/><title type='text'>The Circle of Life [insert Elton John's song]: the Due Process of the Hybrid Guantanamo Bay Detainees</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Yes, I decided to do a second blog today because I came across a couple articles that dove-tail off of some of my previous posts and add to what I said in the past.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The article attached to this post can be put in my “Gitmo” series, as the trial of the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; detainees remains to be a key issue to be discussed in the rules of war of the Bush Administration.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It has been said so many times before and I don’t feel like repeating it, but the detainees are effectively a third type of person-held-during-war-or-some-other-type-of-near-war, not to be confused with “prisoner of war”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;These detainees are a hybrid: afforded basically none of the protections under prisoner of war status, and almost no effort to follow due process.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;To be honest, I’m not really afraid of what the detainees will do when they get out of Gitmo, although I’m sure this experience would make them more radical.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am afraid of what their stories will do as a propaganda tool for terrorist/radical groups and people as well as tarnishing the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; reputation for due process.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Similar to Bush’s claims that history will judge his presidency, Ahmed Darbi says, “History will record these trials as a scandal.”&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;When Bush has made his claim, I have tried to contemplate a future in which the history book authors would view Bush in a positive light.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am not a huge Bush fan, but yes, I could possibly see this happening, but I think it is highly unlikely.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Darbi’s prediction is much easier to envision because one does not have to look far into the future to see his statement coming true.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In fact, there are plenty of authors in present day that view the detainee trials as a sham.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Hopefully these trials can be resolved in the near future, but from the tone of the article below, the probability is low.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:130%;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:130%;" &gt;Sau&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:130%;" &gt;di terror suspect: Military trials a 'sham'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;  &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Carol Rosenberg, Miami Herald.com, 9 April 2008&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;A Saudi captive called the war court here a sham at his hearing Wednesday, fired his Pentagon defense lawyer and was sent back to his prison camp cell with a promise from his military judge that his terror trial would go on without him. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;"History will record these trials as a scandal," said Ahmed Darbi, the brother-in-law of a member of the suicide squad that struck the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001. "I advise you as a judge and all the people here to not continue this play, this sham." Darbi, 33, is charged as an al Qaeda conspirator and with providing material support for terror -- not in the 911 attacks, but on an unsuccessful plot to bomb vessels off the coast of &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Yemen&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; between 2000 and 2002.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;He is the fifth Guantánamo captive to be arraigned at a military commission and the second to refuse to cooperate with the first &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; war crimes tribunal since World War II. A month ago, prison camp guards forced Afghan Mohammed Jawad out of his cell and into the commissions, where the man captured at age 17 declared his intention to boycott. "You will not be forced to be present. Do you understand that?" the judge, Army Col. James Pohl, told Darbi.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The court went silent for a few beats while the Saudi listened through his headset. "Yes," he replied. Then the judge advised, "If you are not present, the proceedings of the commission will happen in your absence." The captive had appeared for his two-hour session in the clean, white prison camp uniform of a cooperative captive and fingered his scraggly beard while listening attentively.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;In measured tones, he repeatedly refused to participate in his upcoming military trial and refused his Pentagon's paid defense attorney, U.S. Army Lt. Col. Bryan Broyles. He asked for a Saudi lawyer. "To be honest, I consider my presence here at these commissions and presence of others here to be a crime against the law, a crime against divine justice and any earthly justice." The judge said he would keep Broyles on the case, as defense counsel, unless Darbi decided to participate and designated another approved lawyer.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Under the Military Commissions Act that set up the terror trials in 2006, only &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; citizens can defend war court defendants. They are assigned military lawyers or judge advocates general, who can bring along civilian lawyers at no government cost. Foreign lawyers can act as consultants.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Broyles, in turn, said he would check with the Army and &lt;st1:state st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Kentucky&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:state&gt; bars on his ethical obligation to defend a client who had fundamentally fired him.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Darbi has repeatedly claimed torture in &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; custody and particularly brutal treatment at the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; detention center in &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;Bagram&lt;/st1:city&gt;, &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;Afghanistan&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;. His testimony, via a sworn statement taken here, was admitted to the &lt;st1:state st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Texas&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:state&gt; court martial of a former Army guard who was charged with assaulting and mistreating detainees in Bagram but ultimately acquitted.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Darbi does not trust the system, said Broyles.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Asked whether his client thought he was being unfairly treated because his brother-in-law was Khalid al Mihdhar, one of the hijackers who crashed American Flight 77 into the Pentagon, Broyles replied: "If he doesn't think that, he'd be crazy. I think that." Darbi was captured at an airport in &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;Azerbaijan&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; and eventually turned over to &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; forces, who transferred him first to Bagram and then to the remote prison camps here.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;His charge sheets describe an ill-fated plot to drive a small explosive laden boat into a ship in the &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Strait of  Hormuz&lt;/st1:place&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The morning proceedings, Darbi's second appearance at the court, were fraught with translation problems. At one point, a a government translator referred in Arabic to the Army defense lawyer as "Lieutenant Darbi," At another point, the translation from Darbi's Arabic to English -- heard in the courtroom -- had him calling the session a "crime against humanity." Arabic speakers said he had not uttered the expression.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Broyles said his client had protested the court as a "human rights violation," and said his Pentagon paid translator would review an Arabic tape of the proceedings to correct the official transcript.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Also, perhaps signaling coming issues on the evidence phase of pretrial proceedings, the judge told U.S. government prosecutors that they could respond three ways on whether requested information actually exists -- yes, no or "neither confirm nor deny." The third option effectively means the evidence is classified secret or sensitive.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;In doing so, Pohl was borrowing from a federal court standard called the "Glomar Response," in which the CIA refused to confirm or deny its relationship to a Howard Hughes ship, The Glomar Explorer, because any answer would compromise national security.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Darbi's next court hearing is May 21, a motions session on legal issues raised by the case.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;War court sessions resume Thursday afternoon, with the arraignment of a Sudanese captive, Ibrahim Qosi, formerly charged as an al Qaeda payroll clerk who now accused of working as a driver and bodyguard for Osama bin Laden.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Then Friday, the military has scheduled a hearing in the case of Canadian Omar Khadr, who is accused of committing terror and murder as a 15-year-old in the grenade killing of a U.S. Army sergeant during a firefight at an alleged al Qaeda safehouse in &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Afghanistan&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The judge on the case, Army Col. Peter Brownback, has yet to rule on a motion by the Toronto-born Khadr's Pentagon lawyers that their client's case be treated as that of a "child soldier." Khadr, now 21, was sent to the prison camps here after his 16th birthday and has grown into 6-foot-2 adulthood behind the razor war of &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:placename st="on"&gt;Guantánamo&lt;/st1:placename&gt; &lt;st1:placetype st="on"&gt;Bay&lt;/st1:placetype&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;© 2008 Miami Herald Media Company. All Rights Reserved.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2577673389691344419-7099385415767890657?l=creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/feeds/7099385415767890657/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2577673389691344419&amp;postID=7099385415767890657' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/7099385415767890657'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/7099385415767890657'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/2008/04/circle-of-life-insert-elton-johns-song.html' title='The Circle of Life [insert Elton John&apos;s song]: the Due Process of the Hybrid Guantanamo Bay Detainees'/><author><name>Creeco</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11612111982896714908</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2577673389691344419.post-3354022618481682745</id><published>2008-04-10T17:20:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2008-04-13T15:01:28.140-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Torture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religious Right'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='John Yoo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='UC-Berkeley'/><title type='text'>Thoughts on Torture by "Yoo" Know Who</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/SAJYc6BkktI/AAAAAAAAACU/w2qHBmMYqpE/s1600-h/yoo.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/SAJYc6BkktI/AAAAAAAAACU/w2qHBmMYqpE/s200/yoo.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5188806974319661778" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;I seem to be spending a lot of time talking about torture but it is hard to avoid the subject when there are near-weekly developments.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I stumbled across the article below and found it pretty interesting; interesting in the way that it made me sick to my stomach.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The fact that John Yoo and the Bush administration were actually discussing the legal possibilities of some of these methods of torture is appalling.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I’m also curious where the Religious Right has gone in the Bush Administration.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I’m a firm believer in the separation of church and state, but how can anybody who voted for Bush because of his moral/religious stance POSSIBLY be happy with their vote after reading something like this?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;On top of that, Yoo says &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; law prohibiting maiming does not matter in a time of war.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I’m so glad the rest of the Justice Department dismissed Yoo’s 81-page memo (my faith in the U.S. Government is not lost) but it is amazing someone was proposing these ideas to begin with.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I’m sure John Yoo is a very intelligent man, but how in the world is he employed at UC-Berkeley, especially given the school’s “liberal” history?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:18;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:18;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/05/AR2008040502099.html?nav=rss_nation/special"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/05/AR2008040502099.html?nav=rss_nation/special"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Permissible Assaults Cited in Graphic Detail&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Drugging Detainees Is Among Techniques&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;By Dan Eggen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;st1:state st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Washington&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:state&gt; Post Staff Writer&lt;br /&gt;Sunday, April 6, 2008; A03&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Thirty pages into a memorandum discussing the legal boundaries of military interrogations in 2003, senior &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/U.S.+Department+of+Justice?tid=informline"&gt;Justice Department&lt;/a&gt; lawyer &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/John+C.+Yoo?tid=informline"&gt;John C. Yoo&lt;/a&gt; tackled a question not often asked by American policymakers: Could the president, if he desired, have a prisoner's eyes poked out?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Or, for that matter, could he have "scalding water, corrosive acid or caustic substance" thrown on a prisoner? How about slitting an ear, nose or lip, or disabling a tongue or limb? What about biting?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;These assaults are all mentioned in a &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; law prohibiting maiming, which Yoo parsed as he clarified the legal outer limits of what could be done to terrorism suspects as detained by &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;/span&gt; authorities. The specific prohibitions, he said, depended on the circumstances or which "body part the statute specifies."&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;But none of that matters in a time of war, Yoo also said, because federal laws prohibiting assault, maiming and other crimes by military interrogators are trumped by the president's ultimate authority as commander in chief.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;The dry discussion of &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; maiming statutes is just one in a series of graphic, extraordinary passages in Yoo's 81-page memo, which was declassified this past week. No maiming is known to have occurred in &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; interrogations, and the Justice Department disavowed the document without public notice nine months after it was written.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;In the sober language of footnotes, case citations and judicial rulings, the memo explores a wide range of unsavory topics, from the use of mind-altering drugs on captives to the legality of forcing prisoners to squat on their toes in a "frog crouch." It repeats an assertion in another controversial Yoo memo that an interrogation tactic cannot be considered torture unless it would result in "death, organ failure or serious impairment of bodily functions."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Yoo, who is now a law professor at the &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/University+of+California-Berkeley?tid=informline"&gt;University of California at Berkeley&lt;/a&gt;, also uses footnotes to effectively dismiss the Fourth and Fifth amendments to the Constitution, arguing that protections against unreasonable search and seizure and guarantees of due process either do not apply or are irrelevant in a time of war. He frequently cites his previous legal opinions to bolster his case.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Written opinions by the &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/OLC?tid=informline"&gt;Office of Legal Counsel&lt;/a&gt; have the force of law within the government because its staff is assigned to interpret the meaning of statutory or constitutional language. Yoo's 2003 memo has evoked strong criticism from legal academics, human rights advocates and military-law experts, who say that he was wrong on basic matters of constitutional law and went too far in authorizing harsh and coercive interrogation tactics by the &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/U.S.+Department+of+Defense?tid=informline"&gt;Defense Department&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;"Having 81 pages of legal analysis with its footnotes and respectable-sounding language makes the reader lose sight of what this is all about," said Dawn Johnsen, an OLC chief during the &lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;Clinton&lt;/st1:city&gt; administration who is now a law professor at &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Indiana+University?tid=informline"&gt;Indiana University&lt;/a&gt;. "He is saying that poking people's eyes out and pouring acid on them is beyond Congress's ability to limit a president. It is an unconscionable document."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Yoo defends the memo as a "near boilerplate" argument in favor of presidential prerogatives, and says its fundamental assertions differ little from those made by previous presidents of both parties. In comments to &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/The+Washington+Post+Company?tid=informline"&gt;The Washington Post&lt;/a&gt; and other news organizations, Yoo has also criticized the Justice Department for issuing new legal opinions that do not include detailed discussions of specific interrogation tactics, which he views as crucial to defining the boundaries of what is lawful.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;"You have to draw the line," Yoo said in an &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Esquire+Magazine?tid=informline"&gt;Esquire magazine&lt;/a&gt; interview posted online this past week. "What the government is doing is unpleasant. It's the use of violence. I don't disagree with that. But I also think part of the job unfortunately of being a lawyer sometimes is you have to draw those lines. I think I could have written it in a much more -- we could have written it in a much more palatable way, but it would have been vague."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;The 2003 memo includes long discussions of the relative illegality of a wide variety of coercive interrogation tactics, including a British technique in which prisoners are forced to stand in a spread-eagle position against a wall and an Israeli technique, called the Shabach, in which a suspect is hooded, strapped to a chair and subjected to powerfully loud music.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Various courts had declared both tactics to be inhumane, but not torture, Yoo noted. This meant that they were illegal under a provision of the Geneva Conventions that the administration said had no relevance to unlawful combatants in its custody.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;In another passage, discussing the bounds of Eighth Amendment protections involving confinement conditions, Yoo concluded that "the clothing of a detainee could also be taken away for a period of time without necessarily depriving him of a basic human need." Yoo cited the need to prove "malice or sadism" on the part of an interrogator before he or she could be prosecuted.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;The interrogation memo was considered a binding opinion for nine months until December 2003, when OLC chief Jack Goldsmith told the Defense Department to ignore the document's analysis.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;In his 2007 book "The Terror Presidency," Goldsmith, who now teaches law at &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Harvard+University?tid=informline"&gt;Harvard University&lt;/a&gt;, said that some of the memos written by Yoo and his colleagues from 2001 to 2003 were "deeply flawed: sloppily reasoned, overbroad, and incautious in asserting extraordinary constitutional authorities on behalf of the President."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Douglas W. Kmiec, a &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Pepperdine+University?tid=informline"&gt;Pepperdine University&lt;/a&gt; law professor who served as constitutional legal counsel for Presidents &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Ronald+Reagan?tid=informline"&gt;Ronald Reagan&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/George+H.W.+Bush?tid=informline"&gt;George H.W. Bush&lt;/a&gt;, said Yoo can be faulted "for not writing more narrowly." It is often better to "brush in hazy gray" rather than "spray paint in black and white," Kmiec said.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2577673389691344419-3354022618481682745?l=creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/feeds/3354022618481682745/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2577673389691344419&amp;postID=3354022618481682745' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/3354022618481682745'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/3354022618481682745'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/2008/04/thoughts-on-torture-by-yoo-know-who.html' title='Thoughts on Torture by &quot;Yoo&quot; Know Who'/><author><name>Creeco</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11612111982896714908</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/SAJYc6BkktI/AAAAAAAAACU/w2qHBmMYqpE/s72-c/yoo.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2577673389691344419.post-6956430992230677365</id><published>2008-03-27T18:33:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2008-03-27T18:58:17.880-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rumsfeld'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Abu Ghraib'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Torture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Marines'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Karpinski'/><title type='text'>Policy Changes: A Pesticide for the "Bad Apples" in the Military?</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;Essentially since World War II, the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;US&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; has been a sort of “defender of right and wrong”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There are plenty of examples where the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;US&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; has stepped-in and stopped an injustice.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;However, in the age of the Global War on Terror (GWOT) I believe the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;US&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; has taken a step back, making decisions that may have the best intentions, but have actually given &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;America&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; a black-eye.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For example, the decision to allow torture tactics, has broadly offended the international community, especially those committed to the Geneva Conventions.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Recent policies seem to highlight a realist decision maker, doing whatever it takes to protect the state.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Distanced from the policy makers, atrocities such as the use of excessive force against combatants and non-combatants as well as improper behavior against detainees by the US military has further added to the growing “black-eye” of American.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;am not a soldier but I know that all US military personnel have some training regarding the rules of war and specific rules of engagement.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So, despite training, some &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;US&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; military personnel still allow themselves to treat prisoners poorly, or get a little trigger happy.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;What policy changes can decrease atrocities in conflict situations?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Based on class lectures, several readings, and the film &lt;i style=""&gt;Ghosts of Abu Ghraib&lt;/i&gt;, I propose the following changes that may or may not directly impact &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;US&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; military doctrine, but also offer a guide to decrease poor behavior.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;One – Roll-back the DoD memorandum signed by Donald Rumsfeld that effectively granted permission to use creative ways to “interrogate” detainees.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;While the memo does not specifically grant permission to torture detainees, it created a feeling or “do whatever it takes” throughout the US military.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This assertion is backed by several statements of military personnel at &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:placename st="on"&gt;Guantanamo&lt;/st1:placename&gt; &lt;st1:placetype st="on"&gt;Bay&lt;/st1:placetype&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; and Abu Graib.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Two – Improve communication through every level of the Armed Services, specifically changes in military policy and the rules of engagement.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;One of the problems noted by several of the personnel that committed atrocities in &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Iraq&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; was the lack of understanding down the chain of command. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;One soldier said that the policies changed so many times that he did not remember what rules they were operating under from day-to-day. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Furthermore, rules of engagement are important for nearly every person in the military, and yet the specific rules are largely classified, out of the reach of some soldiers on the ground.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In addition, there should be regular meetings and/or drill “role playing” so commanding officers can test their soldiers with hypothetical situations and fine-tune their response.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Three – Clearly define acceptable and unacceptable means of aggressive interrogation.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;As evident in the &lt;a href="http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB127/02.12.02.pdf"&gt;Rumsfeld memo&lt;/a&gt;, some activities are clearly defined and noted as “acceptable” but the other proposed strategies are not outright condemned. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;This leaves some uncertainty in the minds of those on the ground. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Furthermore, the comments from the DoD seem to suggest that more aggressive interrogation that violates the Geneva Conventions &lt;i style=""&gt;may&lt;/i&gt; be used at some point. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Four – Maintain the organizational expertise structure of specific military commands or create new commands with proper training to effectively complete the mission.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;One of the major problems with Abu Ghraib may have stemmed from the fact that the guards were actually Marine MPs, not correction officers. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Trained for combat, the group was thrown off-guard when they arrived at the prison and were told to put away their weapons.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Also, the organizational structure was changed; the MPs began reporting to military intelligence and civilian intelligence personnel rather than their designated superior, &lt;a href="http://www.nndb.com/people/657/000046519/"&gt;General Karpinski&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Essentially, there was “mission creep” within the MPs stationed at Abu Ghraib. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2577673389691344419-6956430992230677365?l=creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/feeds/6956430992230677365/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2577673389691344419&amp;postID=6956430992230677365' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/6956430992230677365'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/6956430992230677365'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/2008/03/policy-changes-pesticide-for-bad-apples.html' title='Policy Changes: A Pesticide for the &quot;Bad Apples&quot; in the Military?'/><author><name>Creeco</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11612111982896714908</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2577673389691344419.post-1066027224712851523</id><published>2008-03-21T11:51:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2008-03-21T11:55:48.741-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Torture: an effective tool?</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Former CIA Officer: Waterboarding Is Wrong, But It Worked &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;J.J. Green,&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;WTOPNews.com,&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;20 March 2008&lt;/b&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;st1:state st="on"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;WASHINGTON&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:State&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; -- It was 2 a.m. on the dot on March 28, 2002 when the Punjab Elite Force accompanied by CIA officers and FBI agents broke down the door to a two-story safe house in &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;Faisalabad&lt;/st1:City&gt;,  &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;Pakistan&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;A struggle ensued: Shots were fired and people were hit; knives were wielded and people were stabbed.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;When the smoke cleared and the shouting stopped, a member of the Punjabi SWAT team had a severe knife wound, and more than a dozen al Qaida operatives were down -- some with severe gunshot wounds.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;A man named Abu Zubayda was among the injured. Zubayda was No. 3 in the al Qaida power structure, and a close associate of Osama bin Laden.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Al Qaida documents indicate Zubayda was the organization's main logistics operative. His own statements later revealed he was the keeper of secrets of al Qaida's plans to bring the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; to its knees for the second time in six months - after Sept. 11, 2001.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;The CIA had a vested interest in keeping him alive.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;"Al Qaida had released statements indicating that there was another attack coming. It was going to be more spectacular than the attacks we saw on Sept. 11, and even said that al Qaida wouldn't rest until the green flag of Islam flew over the White House," former CIA Officer John Kiriakou says.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Zubayda supposedly knew the names, dates and details about those planned "spectacular" attacks, but he was dying.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;He had been shot three times, and suffered wounds to the groin, thigh and stomach. After Pakistani doctors treated him, Zubayda was reportedly moved to a secret location -- on orders from a top intelligence official -- and was treated by an American trauma specialist dispatched from the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Six weeks later, when Zubayda had recovered enough to talk, he did -- but "he wanted to talk about poetry or his family or Islam. He didn't want to talk about anything that was truly important to us," Kiriakou says&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Zubayda changed his mind after being introduced to the centuries-old technique of waterboarding.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;"After [Zubayda] was waterboarded, he said God had come to him in his cell and told him to cooperate. And so he did. It was almost like flipping a switch, where one day he was not cooperative and the next day he was very cooperative," Kiriakou says.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Kiriakou did not witness the transformation in person. However, in his first interview since being threatened with legal action in December for discussing the destruction of waterboarding tapes, Kiriakou tells WTOP, "by the time waterboarding was being used, I had returned to a position at [CIA] headquarters from &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;South  Asia&lt;/st1:place&gt;, but I was in a job at headquarters that afforded me access to that information."&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Intelligence sources say Zubayda eventually gave up key information about Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who was captured almost a year later. Authorities also say he divulged information that prevented other terror attacks inside the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;There have been questions about whether Zubayda suffers from mental illness and whether his information was worth anything.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Kiriakou refutes those questions.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;"The reason we went after Abu Zubayda in the first place was because he was al Qaida's logistics chief. He was one of the guys who was instrumental in getting the hijackers in the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;; in making sure they had appropriate training; in making sure they had money and they had places to live. This isn't someone who was mentally challenged or mentally ill in any way. This guy had to have a mind for detail. He knew exactly what he was doing."&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;The 9/11 Commission agreed with Kiriakou in its conclusion. "KSM [Khalid Sheik Mohammed] and Abu Zubayda each played key roles in facilitating travel for al Qaida operatives. In addition al Qaida had an office of passports and host country issues under its security committee."&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;But waterboarding apparently has its failings, Kiriakou says.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;"It's my understanding - this is not first-person information. I have heard this from others - that another prisoner who was waterboarded, ended up just saying what he though his interrogator wanted to hear and the information was not reliable," Kiriakou says.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;A fierce debate is raging across the country over the waterboarding. Accounts from Kiriakou and many others detail the usefulness of waterboarding, but others say pouring water up a person's nostrils to extract information is cruel and inhumane.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;The GOP's presumptive nominee for President Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said recently, "I think that waterboarding is torture and illegal, but I will not restrict the CIA to only the Army Field Manual."&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Democratic presidential candidates Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) supported a failed effort to ban the technique.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;House Speaker Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said, "failing to legally prohibit the use of waterboarding and other harsh torture techniques undermines our nation's moral authority, puts American military and diplomatic personnel at-risk, and undermines the quality of intelligence."&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;The firestorm is exactly what Kiriakou wanted.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;"We really needed to have a true national debate about whether or not waterboarding was something we wanted to use as a matter of policy when interrogating al Qaida prisoners who were not cooperative and who we thought had actionable intelligence about impending terrorist attacks," Kiriakou says.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;When asked about his own view, Kiriakou says, "waterboarding is probably wrong. I believe that it's torture. I believe that at this point, so many years after Sept. 11, we ought not to be doing it. But with that said, when it was used on Abu Zubayda in 2002, it actually worked."&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Kiriakou, like many, is conflicted about whether to use waterboarding as an interrogation method.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;"Are we willing to lose 100 people, 1,000 people in a terrorist attack and then maintain the moral high road and not waterboard? I'm not sure," Kiriakou says.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Al Qaida's low-level young fighters are "a little more than uneducated illiterate teens from the countryside and small villages in the Middle East and south and central &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Asia&lt;/st1:place&gt;," he says.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;While uncertain about waterboarding, Kiriakou says there are other methods of defending against al Qaida.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;"I believe if those people had access to jobs, to educations and had something hope for, to look forward to, al Qaida wouldn't be attractive to them," Kiriakou says.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;Copyright 2008 by WTOP. All Rights Reserved.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2577673389691344419-1066027224712851523?l=creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/feeds/1066027224712851523/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2577673389691344419&amp;postID=1066027224712851523' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/1066027224712851523'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/1066027224712851523'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/2008/03/torture-effective-tool.html' title='Torture: an effective tool?'/><author><name>Creeco</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11612111982896714908</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2577673389691344419.post-8433285517033187929</id><published>2008-03-13T10:34:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2008-03-13T11:03:02.133-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jon Stewart'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Terrorist Watch'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='CIA'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Torture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='FBI'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Waterboarding'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ronald Kessler'/><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;A bit of the interview on &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Daily Show&lt;/span&gt; between host Jon Stewart and Ronald Kessler, author of the book "The Terrorist Watch: Inside the Desperate Race To Stop the Next Attack."&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I cut some of the interview and left the parts where Kessler specifically discusses waterboarding and torture (or dances around the issues).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Rockwell;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Rockwell;"&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;The Daily Show -- Comedy Central&lt;br /&gt;12 March 2008&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;STEWART&lt;/b&gt;: What do you think of  the more coercive stuff, the waterboarding and such?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;KESSLER&lt;/b&gt;: I think it was fine in  that particular situation. Most of the time, the CIA does not want to  use waterboarding. They want to use cooperation. But in that case, there  was a threat that there would be a second wave of attacks. These guys  were not talking. They had to get information, and they did. And they  stopped plots that killed, or would have killed people.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;STEWART&lt;/b&gt;: Does that hurt or help  us in the long run?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;KESSLER&lt;/b&gt;: I think, in the long  run, if we protected ourselves from another attack, that's the most  important thing. You know, it's true that the Iraq war has contributed  to the hatred...you know, it's used as a propaganda tool.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;.....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;STEWART&lt;/b&gt;: You are...you're getting...but  the thing about waterboarding that always struck me is, even if it saved  some lives, do we give up too much of our soul to do that? Because isn't  the measure of a country how it handles itself in difficult times, not  in easy times? It's very easy to say, "We abide by the Geneva Convention,"  until we found out somebody wants to hurt us and then, hey man, everybody  for themselves.&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;KESSLER&lt;/b&gt;: Well, actually the Geneva  Conventions allow this, because these people are not regular military  people in uniforms...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;STEWART&lt;/b&gt;: The Geneva Conventions  allow you to waterboard people who don't wear uniforms?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;KESSLER&lt;/b&gt;: Yeah, because they're  not...these are people who behead people, they don't abide by...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;STEWART&lt;/b&gt;: That may be a technicality.  I'm not sure that the spirit of the Geneva Conventions is, like, "Hey  look, if they don't have a hat, do whatever you want. ((laughter))&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;KESSLER&lt;/b&gt;: Our own Special Operations  forces are, in fact, subjected to waterboarding as part of their training,  so....&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;STEWART&lt;/b&gt;: Because they might have  it done to them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;KESSLER&lt;/b&gt;: Exactly. And it's not  torture in the sense that it's painful. That's what torture is defined  as...It's harsh...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;STEWART&lt;/b&gt;: That's an argument that's  tough to make, that it's not actually....drowning someone is torture. ((laughter)) The only point I was going  to make was we prosecuted the Japanese for waterboarding our soldiers  in World War II.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;KESSLER&lt;/b&gt;: It was a different kind  of waterboarding. ((laughter)) It actually involved...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;STEWART&lt;/b&gt;: What did we waterboard  on [Temperapedics]? ((laughter)) What do you mean? How different? What  kind of water?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;KESSLER&lt;/b&gt;: Using real water, as  opposed to just covering them with cellophane and giving the impression,  but...the important thing is...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;STEWART&lt;/b&gt;: This is like the mock  apple pie of waterboarding, that we do. ((laughter)) It's not a real-type  waterboarding thing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;KESSLER&lt;/b&gt;: And actually, it was  only used three times, and not since 2003. Now, they are not going to  use it anymore. So it really is moot. The important thing is....&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;STEWART&lt;/b&gt;: We learned our lesson.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;KESSLER&lt;/b&gt;: OK. ((laughter)) I'm  agreeable. But the important thing is, we have not been attacked, it's  because of these measures, it's because of the Patriot Act even though  that's demonized.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;STEWART&lt;/b&gt;: But it's hard to point  to causation because they're so secretive. I mean, what they're saying  is, "Trust us, it's because of this," even though a lot of  the other things you found about us have turned out to be less than  credible.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;b&gt;KESSLER&lt;/b&gt;: Well, we know that these  terrorists are being rolled up all the time. We know they are being  rolled up because of these measures, including the Patriot Act. You  know, the librarian thing....&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2577673389691344419-8433285517033187929?l=creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/feeds/8433285517033187929/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2577673389691344419&amp;postID=8433285517033187929' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/8433285517033187929'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/8433285517033187929'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/2008/03/bit-of-interview-on-daily-show-between.html' title=''/><author><name>Creeco</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11612111982896714908</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2577673389691344419.post-591608622428069211</id><published>2008-03-06T18:52:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2008-03-13T11:01:04.662-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Clinton'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Col. Steve David'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='political football'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='McCain'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ibrahim Ahmed Mahmoud al Qosi'/><title type='text'>Gitmo: How Detainees Love the Freedom of America Experienced from Cuba</title><content type='html'>&lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;This article is a bit of a dove-tail off of the Omar Khadr post I made a few weeks ago, yet the Khadr case and this case seem to be drastically different.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;While a military trial by the &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;US&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; is much different than a domestic criminal trial, there are some concerns regarding the case of Ibrahim Ahmed Mahmoud al Qosi.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;According to the chief defense counsel, Army Col. Steve David, he has not been given the personnel or resources to adequately defend Qosi.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He has only 9 assistants while the prosecution has 4 times as many.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Disregarding Qosi’s guilt or innocence this article highlights some institutional flaws as well as the political football this could turn into upon the change in office.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I’ll be interested to see if anything does change such as the author’s suggestion that some of these cases move to a civil or criminal court inside the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;US&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; versus offshore.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I feel like this would be a good question for the presidential contenders.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Anyone want to make a guess on what the candidates would do?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Disclaimer:  I am a registered Democrat and consider myself to be moderate.  Right now the order of my selection for the next President goes (1) Obama, (2) McCain, and (3) Clinton.  This may explain my predictions below which are mainly supposed to be a little funny more than reflect my personal political views.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p face="georgia" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: georgia;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;My Guess (with some sarcasm):&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/st1:city&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p style="font-family: georgia;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;Clinton&lt;/st1:city&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; – “I’ve always supported the right to a fair and speedy trial… and I promise to shut down Gitmo the day I come into office… I have the experience!&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You can’t trust the Republican part right now and Obama is just a baby.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p style="font-family: georgia;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;McCain – “First of all I don’t believe in torture, and I think we should close Gitmo… however, I can’t look soft on national security so I will order the immediate trial of all Gitmo detainees under the current rules and close Gitmo by the end of my 4 years in office as President.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Clinton and Obama will just release all of these terrorists back into the world where they can attack &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;America&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; and spread hate, so I’m here to create fear so that you vote for me.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;o:p style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;Obama – “I never supported the illegal war in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region style="font-family: georgia;" st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Iraq&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;"&gt; so we wouldn’t be in this position to begin with if anyone had listened to me!  If we had simply concentrated on &lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:place style="font-family: georgia;" st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;Afghanistan&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;"&gt; maybe we would have properly collected the evidence needed to properly place these detainees on trial.  Clinton and McCain will just lead us down the same path… I am the necessary change, trust me… (wink).”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-family: times new roman;"&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Another &lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;Guantanamo&lt;/st1:city&gt; prisoner charged with war crimes &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An alleged former aide to Osama bin Laden is the 13th detainee at the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; military prison to be indicted.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Carol J. Williams,&lt;/b&gt; &lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Los   Angeles&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:city&gt;&lt;b&gt; Times,&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;6 March 2008,&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;Inside "A" Section&lt;/b&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;MIAMI -- The Pentagon served war crimes charges on a 13th prisoner at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp Wednesday, signaling the Bush administration's intent to step up prosecution of terrorism suspects before the architects of the controversial military tribunals leave office. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The charges allege that Ibrahim Ahmed Mahmoud al Qosi of &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Sudan&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; provided material support for terrorism and conspired with Osama bin Laden. The case is the latest in a series of recent indictments against detainees who had been held without charge for years at the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; military prison at &lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Guantanamo&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:city&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Al Qosi, 47, is accused of having worked as a driver, bodyguard, supply clerk and cook for the Al Qaeda leader at the "Star of Jihad" compound near &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;Jalalabad&lt;/st1:city&gt;,  &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;Afghanistan&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;He is one of about 40 Al Qaeda aides captured by Pakistani forces in December 2001 near the Afghan region of Tora Bora, where Bin Laden survived weeks of bombardment by &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; warplanes.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Al Qosi is accused of helping Bin Laden and his family escape to Tora Bora, a remote, rugged and naturally defended stronghold on the Pakistani border. He could face life in prison if convicted by a panel of &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; military officers who will convene to act as a jury.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The military commissions have two courtrooms at the Expeditionary Legal Complex, a maze of tents, portable offices and one high-security building that sprawls across an unused airfield on the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;U.S.&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; naval base in southern &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Cuba&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The limited courtroom space had been expected to slow the pace of indictments because once charged, a prisoner must be brought before a judge within 30 days and his trial begun within four months.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Cases initiated last year against another Bin Laden aide, Salim Ahmed Hamdan of &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Yemen&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;, and Canadian Omar Khadr, who was 15 at the time of his alleged crimes, have stalled repeatedly as military jurists wade through uncharted legal territory.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Dozens of motions are pending in the cases, and the 30-day clock for arraignment is running on three others.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;By filling the trial calendar, the Pentagon appeared to be setting up dry runs of the untested legal process that will be used to prosecute self-professed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and five other "high-value" prisoners later this year.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Charges carrying the death penalty were filed last month against Mohammed and the others, but those trials are unlikely to begin for months because of procedural delays and a dearth of defense resources. Only one of the six suspects charged in the Sept. 11 attacks -- the so-called 20th hijacker, Mohammed Qahtani -- has a military lawyer.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The chief defense counsel, Army Col. Steve David, has complained to the Office of Military Commissions in &lt;st1:state st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Washington&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:state&gt; that he has insufficient staff to properly defend the prisoners under indictment. Only nine military defense lawyers have so far been assigned to David's team, whereas the chief prosecutor, Army Col. Lawrence Morris, has four times that many attorneys at work preparing trials.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;"The entire system of the military commissions is founded on the concept of defense by military defense counsel, and insufficiency in that defense is a serious institutional flaw," said Miles Fischer, an attorney who has attended &lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Guantanamo&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:city&gt; sessions for the New York City Bar Assn., whose members represent prisoners trying to get civilian court review of their detention.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Some observers say the stepped-up pace of prosecutions could be a way of ensuring that some defendants are tried by the commissions before the end of President Bush's term.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;"They may be attempting to get these cases to progress to a point where it would make it harder for the next president to move them to civilian courts, where they belong," said Shayana Kadidal, senior attorney with the Guantanamo Global Justice Initiative of the Center for Constitutional Rights in &lt;st1:state st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;New York&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:state&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Al Qosi, Hamdan, Khadr and seven others were charged with war crimes in 2003 and 2004, but their trials had not begun before the U.S. Supreme Court declared the commissions unconstitutional in June 2006.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The Republican-controlled Congress at the time passed the Military Commissions Act three months after the high court decision, resurrecting the offshore tribunal.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10;"&gt;Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:10;"  &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2577673389691344419-591608622428069211?l=creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/feeds/591608622428069211/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2577673389691344419&amp;postID=591608622428069211' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/591608622428069211'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/591608622428069211'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/2008/03/gitmo-how-detainees-love-freedom-of.html' title='Gitmo: How Detainees Love the Freedom of America Experienced from Cuba'/><author><name>Creeco</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11612111982896714908</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2577673389691344419.post-8188196672000475330</id><published>2008-02-21T20:29:00.016-05:00</published><updated>2008-02-21T21:01:53.945-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Depleted Uranium Munitions</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/R74seibgHlI/AAAAAAAAAB8/1t3lfhSlWtI/s1600-h/A10+Cannon.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 334px; height: 249px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/R74seibgHlI/AAAAAAAAAB8/1t3lfhSlWtI/s320/A10+Cannon.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5169618325417762386" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/R74r1SbgHjI/AAAAAAAAABs/vmk89xjiUPM/s1600-h/Vulcan.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/R74r1SbgHjI/AAAAAAAAABs/vmk89xjiUPM/s320/Vulcan.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5169617616748158514" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is Depleted Uranium?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Honestly, I probably don’t need a section titled “What is Depleted Uranium” because there are a million other websites that will tell you exactly what it is with every scientific nuance you could possibly want to know.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Never the less, it is probably an appropriate introduction, so here is a little about depleted uranium (DU).&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;To start off it is interesting to note that there are three types of naturally occurring uranium isotopes: 234, 235, and 238.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;DU is mostly composed of the U-238 variety.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;DU in Weapon Form&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Most bullet rounds contain a lead projectile; lead is usually the metal of choice because of its dense properties.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;DU is more dense than lead, approximately 70% more dense, which makes a DU munitions more aerodynamic and capable of penetrating armor.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;DU has been used heavily in 30mm, 25mm, and 20mm ordnances in a number or different weapons systems for ground, air, and sea based platforms.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The US and United Kingdom are the only two countries that have acknowledged using DU weapons but through the international community France, Russia, Greece, Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt, Kuwait, Pakistan, Thailand, Iraq, and Taiwan are believed to have DU rounds in their military.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;Platforms that use Depleted Uranium:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;A-10 Thunderbolt II (GAU-8 Avenger cannon)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Bradley Fighting Vehicle (M242 gun)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;AV-8B Harrier (GAU-12 Equalizer cannon)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Phalanx CIWS (M61 Vulcan gatling gun)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;M1 Abrams tanks&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Russian T-62, T-64, T-72, T-80&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;            &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;The problem&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;If you haven’t figured out by not, DU is radioactive and as such, there is a concern the DU weapons, even small amounts of DU in armor piercing rounds, is detrimental to the environment and to the health of human populations.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Similar to other “controversial” products, the health effects from DU munitions has not been proven one way or another to this point. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Still, the radioactive level of DU leads many experts and non-experts to believe the abandoned material could cause genetic, reproductive, and neurological effects and possibly lead to cancer.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;Efforts to ban DU Munitions&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The &lt;a href="http://www.bandepleteduranium.org/en/index.html"&gt;International Coalition to Ban Uranium Weapons (ICBUW)&lt;/a&gt; is a coalition of 92 NGO members and 25 countries trying to ban the use, transport, manufacture, sale and export of all weapon systems that use DU. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Similar to ICBUW, the &lt;a href="http://www.cadu.org.uk/"&gt;Campaign Against Depleted Uranium (CADU)&lt;/a&gt; is also trying to ban nearly every aspect of DU munitions.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;CADU is also part of the ICBUW. &lt;a href="http://www.cadu.org.uk/"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;Rulings and Decisions&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Thus far there has not been any legislation that explicitly bans the use of DU munitions.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In fact, the chief prosecutor for the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, Carla Del Ponte, and the chief prosecutor, Louise Arbour, concluded the there is, “No specific treaty ban on the use of DU projectiles.”&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There have been attempts to place a moratorium on the military use of DU, mainly in the EU, which has yielded no consensus.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;France&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; and the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;UK&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; have routinely rejected the efforts to create the moratorium on the EU and UN level.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;Some other sources for reading:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Depleted Uranium Inventories &lt;a href="http://www.wise-uranium.org/eddat.html"&gt;http://www.wise-uranium.org/eddat.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Theodore E. Liolios, “Assessing the risk from the depleted uranium weapons used in operational allied force” &lt;a href="http://www.intellnet.org/documents/800/030/838.pdf"&gt;http://www.intellnet.org/documents/800/030/838.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Depleted Uranium Human Health Fact Sheet &lt;a href="http://www.ead.anl.gov/pub/doc/Depleted-Uranium.pdf"&gt;http://www.ead.anl.gov/pub/doc/Depleted-Uranium.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2577673389691344419-8188196672000475330?l=creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/feeds/8188196672000475330/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2577673389691344419&amp;postID=8188196672000475330' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/8188196672000475330'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/8188196672000475330'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/2008/02/depleted-uranium-munitions.html' title='Depleted Uranium Munitions'/><author><name>Creeco</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11612111982896714908</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/R74seibgHlI/AAAAAAAAAB8/1t3lfhSlWtI/s72-c/A10+Cannon.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2577673389691344419.post-3156012598285952026</id><published>2008-02-18T10:02:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2008-02-18T10:07:03.934-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Great Website? Or the GREATEST Website?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/awc-law.htm"&gt;Military Law &amp;amp; Legal Links&lt;/a&gt; courtesy of the USAF Air University... so money, check it out.  It's got all sorts of links to legislation governing the rules of war, doctrines, treaties, constitutions from around the world, and official government reports (GAO, CRS, etc.).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2577673389691344419-3156012598285952026?l=creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/feeds/3156012598285952026/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2577673389691344419&amp;postID=3156012598285952026' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/3156012598285952026'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/3156012598285952026'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/2008/02/geat-website-or-greatest-website.html' title='Great Website? Or the GREATEST Website?'/><author><name>Creeco</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11612111982896714908</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2577673389691344419.post-5634280852948673644</id><published>2008-02-14T18:21:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2008-02-14T18:25:09.829-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Circumstantial Evidence vs. Emotional Fear: the case of Omar Khadr</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;It’s something about stories like &lt;a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/60minutes/main3516048.shtml"&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;; for whatever reason my opinion on what “should” be done swings back and forth more than a little kid on the swing set. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;On one side Omar was associating with some VERY questionable people, and from the available information they appear to be Al Qaeda. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;The circumstantial evidence is enough to make any westerner cautious of both him and his entire family. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;I mean, the family had close business practices with Osama bin Laden, the Taliban, and other Al Qaeda members, he was brought up in a school (taught by his dad) that told him it was every Muslim’s path to die as a martyr, and his family still stands by these ideas of martyrdom to reach the virgins. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Side comment on the virgin thing: I know hormones are raging when kids hit puberty, but the clip from “60 Minutes” made this Muslim belief seem more like plain pornography than religion. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;I wonder how much this plays into the decision to become a suicide bomber or a martyr in general.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Back on target now, I can fully see why someone would want to defend someone like Omar Khadr given his age (15) and loyalty to his father.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If I’m not mistaken I think there are even US laws that prevent children from being prosecuted for knowing about a crime of their parent (or some variation of that). &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;In addition, all the evidence of Omar’s part in the death of the medic seems overwhelmingly circumstantial, and if he were put on a criminal trial in the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;US&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; I’m positive the case would be thrown out. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;I feel (don’t’ know) that most people held in &lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;Guantanamo&lt;/st1:city&gt; would probably have their criminal case thrown out in the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;US&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; though. &lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Anyway, this case is the heart of the problem with the &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;US&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; and how we label these prisoners / “But not POWs / detainees during the Global War on Terror / ”Sometimes not really a war when it’s convenient”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2577673389691344419-5634280852948673644?l=creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/feeds/5634280852948673644/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2577673389691344419&amp;postID=5634280852948673644' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/5634280852948673644'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/5634280852948673644'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/2008/02/its-something-about-stories-like-this.html' title='Circumstantial Evidence vs. Emotional Fear: the case of Omar Khadr'/><author><name>Creeco</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11612111982896714908</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2577673389691344419.post-6744110896361094296</id><published>2008-01-29T21:46:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-30T14:14:53.828-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Norms</title><content type='html'>Norms are a tricky concept to analyze on a level that transcends states and countries.  I am not &lt;a href="http://www.hbo.com/city/cast/character/carrie_bradshaw.shtml"&gt;“well traveled”&lt;/a&gt; so I have no way of knowing whether the behaviors I believe fall into norms are purely American, or if they can be seen in other cultures.  That being said, there are several instances I encounter everyday that I would classify as behavioral norms, many of which I actively take part in.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For the sake of this blog entry, I used the example of holding doors to explain norm compliance within myself, possibly projected to societal compliance.  So while reading this entry, keep the “door holding” example in-mind if my statements seem confusing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It’s my perception that back in the good old days &lt;a href="http://www.pitt.edu/%7Egoldy/"&gt;“when the air was clean and the sex was dirty, and not the other way around”&lt;/a&gt;, men held doors for women all the time.  To an extent this norm is still seen today, mostly while watching couple out on dates, but it extends beyond a kind act done only for someone you know.  When entering a building, say &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_W._Posvar_Hall"&gt;Posvar Hall&lt;/a&gt;, and I know there’s someone trailing closely behind me, I will not stop, hold the door, and let the person behind me pass through before entering myself.  Rather, knowing someone is behind me, I walk a little slower going through the door, and hang onto the door a little longer so the person behind me can walk through with relative ease.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I tend to believe that my behavior, in general, is very much governed by social norms whether the action the norm leads me to take actually aids my own interest or detracts from my interest.  Raised in a Christian household with a family that went to church every Sunday, I find it hard to detach many of the norms I exhibit from the lessons I learned in church and Sunday school even though I don’t make it to church as often as I used to.  Not exclusive to Christianity, I think all religions create a set of behaviors that are incorporated into society, more or less, and there are many similarities between religions that seem to create similar norms throughout cultures.  Religion is a producer of several norms but not exclusively the norm producer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Back to the point, I think that there are a large number of behavioral norms that I comply with for reasons that do not directly reflect my interests.  I will not deny that I follow some norms because of reciprocity, no matter how small the probability of my action being reciprocated.  I enjoy doing nice things for people, such as holding a door, and I appreciate when people do similar things for me, but I would still do it even if my act wasn’t reciprocated.  So yes, to an extent this norm is in my self interest but not exclusively.  There are other norms which have been codified in law, such as those against stealing, robbing, murdering, that I chose not to do because of my acceptance of norms and moral scope, not necessarily for my own interest; I could be less in debt if I simply took what I wanted without paying for it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Creeco’s Observed Societal Norms:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Silence, no chanting, when an athletic player is “down” on the playing surface, injured.  Clap for the injured player as he/she get up, walk off, or are taken off the playing surface. (Norm Violators: &lt;a href="http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5578"&gt;Duke University&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Giving-up your seat for an elder on the bus&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Saying “bless you” after someone sneezes&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Raising hand before talking in class&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2577673389691344419-6744110896361094296?l=creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/feeds/6744110896361094296/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2577673389691344419&amp;postID=6744110896361094296' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/6744110896361094296'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/6744110896361094296'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/2008/01/norms.html' title='Norms'/><author><name>Creeco</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11612111982896714908</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2577673389691344419.post-5226878801524344908</id><published>2008-01-24T19:23:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-24T20:34:43.069-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Three Kings'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='War Crimes'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Non-Combatant Execution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Torture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pillage'/><title type='text'>How to Commit a War Crime: Three Kings</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/R5k0FYkoUmI/AAAAAAAAAAc/KyIaS6GCGBg/s1600-h/Three_kings.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/R5k0FYkoUmI/AAAAAAAAAAc/KyIaS6GCGBg/s320/Three_kings.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5159212115229692514" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Yes, the move "Three Kings" is not going to go down in the books as one of the best movies of the 1990s, let alone 1999.  Furthermore, I feel misled by the film industry once again (see right: bottom of the movie poster reads "Only in Theaters" and we all know this was a lie).  That being said, the movie does highlight some of the realities of war.   Even in some of the most justified, well planned operations war crimes can still occur.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is the obvious use of torture.   First, the character Amir Abdullah (Cliff Curtis) is suspected of being tortured because we, the audience, see him bound and gaged and in control of the Republican Guard.  Second, Troy Barlow (Mark Wahlberg) is graphically tortured by the same members of the Republican Guard.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even more important to the premise of the movie is the war crime of pillaging on the part of the four American soldiers.  While there was never a group of Americans conspiring to steal Kuwaiti gold from Iraqis, there have been instances in American history, as well as many other countries, where soldiers have taken a "prize" for themselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A third war crime seen in the movie is the murder of a non-combatant.  Abdullah's wife is murdered at gun point in front of Abdullah himself and Abdullah's daughter.  Below are several of the conventions and laws implemented by the international community that regulate war crimes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Beyond the below rules of war, there are other rules in the movie that fall outside international law.  The movie takes place after a peace accord, so the use of hostilities and aggressive action on part of the four Americans probably voids the peace accord, and probably harms the US in some fashion.  Also, we see the enforcement of US Policy: the renegade Americans were not allowed (by US Policy) to transport the Iraqi civilians across the border in order to reach a safe haven in Iran.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: times new roman;font-family:arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;1.  TORTURE&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: times new roman;font-size:100%;" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: times new roman;font-family:times new roman;" class="MsoNormal" &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;blockquote style="font-family: times new roman;"&gt;&lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Article 5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;    &lt;p style="font-family: times new roman;font-family:times new roman;"  class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: times new roman;font-family:times new roman;"  class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;The &lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Geneva&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:city&gt; Conventions III (1949) Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;blockquote style="font-family: times new roman;"&gt;&lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Article 3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;(1) Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed “hors de combat” by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria. To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="text-indent: 0.5in;font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;(a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="text-indent: 0.5in;font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;(b) taking of hostages&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="text-indent: 0.5in;font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;(c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="text-indent: 0.5in;font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;(d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;2. The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;An impartial humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may offer its services to the Parties to the conflict. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;The Parties to the conflict should further endeavour to bring into force, by means of special agreements, all or part of the other provisions of the present Convention. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;The application of the preceding provisions shall not affect the legal status of the Parties to the conflict.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Article 17&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;…No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind….&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Article 87 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;…Collective punishment for individual acts, corporal punishment, imprisonment in premises without daylight and, in general, any form of torture or cruelty, are forbidden….&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;    &lt;p style="font-family: times new roman;font-family:times new roman;"  class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: times new roman;font-family:times new roman;"  class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;The &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;Geneva&lt;/st1:city&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; Conventions IV (1949) Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;blockquote style="font-family: times new roman;"&gt;&lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Article 32&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;The High Contracting Parties specifically agree that each of them is prohibited from taking any measure of such a character as to cause the physical suffering or extermination of protected persons in their hands. This prohibition applies not only to murder, torture, corporal punishments, mutilation and medical or scientific experiments not necessitated by the medical treatment of a protected person, but also to any other measures of brutality whether applied by civilian or military agents.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;    &lt;p style="font-family: times new roman;font-family:times new roman;"  class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966) &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;blockquote style="font-family: times new roman;"&gt;&lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Article 7&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. In particular, no one shall be subjected without his free consent to medical or scientific experimentation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;    &lt;p style="font-family: times new roman;font-family:times new roman;"  class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The United Nations Convention Against Torture (1984)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;blockquote style="font-family: times new roman;"&gt;&lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Article 1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;1. For the purposes of this Convention, the term “torture” means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;2. This article is without prejudice to any international instrument or national legislation which does or may contain provisions of wider application.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: times new roman;font-size:100%;" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: times new roman;font-family:arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;2.  PILLAGING&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: times new roman;font-size:100%;" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: times new roman;font-family:times new roman;"  class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;The &lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Geneva&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:city&gt; Conventions IV (1949) Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;blockquote style="font-family: times new roman;"&gt;&lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Article 33&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;…Pillage is prohibited…&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;    &lt;p style="font-family: times new roman;font-family:times new roman;"  class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;The Hague Convention IV (1907)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;blockquote style="font-family: times new roman;"&gt;&lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Article 28&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;The pillage of a town or place, even when taken by assault, is prohibited.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: times new roman;font-size:100%;" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: times new roman;font-size:100%;" &gt;3.  CIVILIAN (NON-COMBATANT) EXECUTION&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: times new roman;font-size:100%;" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p style="font-family: times new roman;font-family:times new roman;"  class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;The &lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Geneva&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:city&gt; Conventions IV (1949) Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="font-family: times new roman;font-family:times new roman;"  class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Article 3 (see above)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2577673389691344419-5226878801524344908?l=creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/feeds/5226878801524344908/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2577673389691344419&amp;postID=5226878801524344908' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/5226878801524344908'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/5226878801524344908'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-to-commit-war-crime-three-kings.html' title='How to Commit a War Crime: Three Kings'/><author><name>Creeco</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11612111982896714908</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/R5k0FYkoUmI/AAAAAAAAAAc/KyIaS6GCGBg/s72-c/Three_kings.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2577673389691344419.post-2646540403052731137</id><published>2008-01-17T17:58:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-17T20:58:55.311-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Lt. Ehren Watada, hero???</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;War is too important to be left to the generals.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;- Georges Clemenceau&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the below article, Lt. Ehren Watada is attempting to use &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory"&gt;Just War Theory&lt;/a&gt; and personal moral convictions as part of his defense to explain why he failed to deploy to Iraq.  He personally refused to go to Iraq because he felt the war was unlawful.  It is true, the US went into Iraq without the approval of the UN Security Council, but in my opinion, this does not constitute any grounds for a lieutenant to refuse service. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;My Problems with Watada's Defense:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;By joining the Army he made a commitment to serve.  By making said commitment he forfeited many of his rights that he would normally be afforded as a regular civilian.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;I'm not a military law expert, but it is my understanding that not all court martial settings require a lawyer. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Further, in the long list of possible defenses allowable during a court martial, moral convictions and objection to the legality of operations is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;not&lt;/span&gt; listed. (see &lt;a href="http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/law/mcm.pdf"&gt;Manual for Courts-Martial United States&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;He joined the US Army &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;after&lt;/span&gt; the US invaded Iraq.  Why would he join the Army shortly after the invasion with such legal/moral objections, especially given the likelihood he could be deployed to Iraq?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;He is invoking command responsibility as a defense under the Geneva and Hague Conventions which have more to do with the political planning and willful violation of war laws and human rights. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Perhaps if Watada was actually in Abu Ghraib and was given an order to mistreat prisoners and refused, then I could understand his argument.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Further, in regard to his argument against &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_aggression"&gt;wars of aggression&lt;/a&gt;, the administration was able to frame the Iraq invasion as a preemptive strike.  On these grounds, Iraq was seen as an immediate and imminent threat. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;America's "aggression" does not fit the definition of "war of aggression" because the invasion was in self-defense.  (side note: I do not honestly believe the invasion was necessary for self-defense but that's the way it was justified)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The Larger Issues:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;As an officer in the military it is not Watada's decision to decide the overall legality of the war.  As harsh as it sounds, the military is a &lt;a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tool"&gt;tool&lt;/a&gt; of US policy; it does not make policy.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Watada is charged with behavior unbecoming an officer.  The author of the article below seems to think this charge does not fit, but I think "behavior unbecoming an officer" is very obvious for Watada's case given the definition. (see &lt;a href="http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/law/mcm.pdf"&gt;Manual for Courts-Martial United States&lt;/a&gt; Part IV, Article 133) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;He could  also be charged with  Effecting Unlawful Enlistment, Appointment, or Separation (Article 84), Desertion (Article 85), and Absence without Leave (Article 86).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;While the war in Iraq may be condemned by the UN, it is not illegal for the US military to command its very own officer into the war.  The US did not command Watada to do anything illegal in respect to Geneva and Hague Conventions or the Nuremberg Principles.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;While I do not particularly agree with the grounds the US entered Iraq, the fact remains that the Bush Administration pushed its proposal to Congress, Congress approved the use of force, and I don't think we heard a thing out of the Judiciary.  In that respect, the war was legal.  The grounds Congress approved action have since been proven insufficient but Congress &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;should&lt;/span&gt; have acted more responsibly prior to authorization.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/CHRIST%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg" alt="" /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/R4_fWCGRv1I/AAAAAAAAAAM/I2kTJEAXmSE/s1600-h/banner.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 88px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/R4_fWCGRv1I/AAAAAAAAAAM/I2kTJEAXmSE/s320/banner.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5156585667975823186" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;One young hero versus the mighty military&lt;/span&gt;                                 &lt;table class="contentpaneopen"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;    &lt;td colspan="2" valign="top"&gt;     &lt;address&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Bainbridge Buzz&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/address&gt; &lt;address&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;by Bobbie Morgan    &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/address&gt; &lt;address&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Wednesday, 24 January 2007&lt;br /&gt;http://www.thankyoult.org/content/view/86/23/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/address&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes it takes a travesty to create a hero. We have a hero close by, awaiting a court martial for refusing to participate in the Iraq war because he feels it was never a lawful war. He is 28-year old Ehren Watada, a lieutenant in the US Army. He has a finely tuned sense of right and wrong, and he is quietly, but firmly, standing up to the full force of the United States Army. This, of course, is the same army that went to war without the authorization of the UN Security council, orchestrated Shock and Awe in Fallujah, where more civilians were killed than died in 9-11 attacks. This is the same army that oversaw multiple instances of torture at Abu Ghraib. This is the same army that has been responsible for tens of thousands of civilian deaths. And now, a young man's voice is saying "No." In the world of the military, courage can take many forms. Our culture celebrates war, thrills at battle scenes, boasts of conquest, savors mighty weapons, and expects to be the dominant power of the world, utilizing the full force and destructive power of the military-industrial complex. But only seldom do we see courage take on another form: dissent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Imagine the courage it took for Lt. Watada to make his decision to say "no" to orders to deploy to the Iraq war. He is the very first U.S. military officer to do so. What makes his statement of dissent so honorable, is that it is based upon moral conviction. He is acting on the belief that, not only does he have the right to refuse actions that put him in the position of having to participate in war crimes or "crimes against peace," but that he has an obligation to do so. ehrenwatada&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Therefore, he stands bravely in dissent, following his conscience. His voice is humble, his demeanor respectful, his logic clear. The young lieutenant stands in opposition, not to all war, but to this war, prosecuted in violation of the United Nations charter, a treaty under which our country is obligated and which forms part of the "supreme law of the land" according to our Constitution. According to this treaty, the use of force is permissible only when armed attack is imminent or when the Security Council authorizes force. Since neither of these requirements was met, the war against Iraq is considered by many to be unlawful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Geneva Conventions also prohibit wars of aggression. The U. S. is a signer of the Geneva Conventions, and therefore obligated to follow them. This Iraq war is a war of aggression, and therefore illegal under the Geneva Conventions. The violence against Iraq was never a war of self-defense because none of the threats that the president and vice-president used as reasons for war were true. There were no weapons of mass destruction, no imminent threat of biological warfare against the U.S., no delivery of terrorism from that country to this one. So, according to many legal experts, there was no justification for this war. Lt. Watada believes that he has no choice but to uphold our Constitution and refuse to participate in an illegal war. The rationale for this defense comes from the Nuremberg Principles, which established that officers do have the obligation to refuse unlawful orders. To follow such an order, Lt. Watada believes that he himself would be committing a crime.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When this Iraq debacle began, where were the leaders who could have honored our government's system of checks and balances, designed to prevent this sort of abuse of power by the executive branch? They were silent. Congress played the game of political expediency in the climate of hyper-fear after 9-11. And now Lt. Watada is left to take his courageous stand, as an individual young man, against the might of the United States military.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What makes this court martial a travesty, is not only that this young man is being denied the opportunity to be reassigned to other military duty, including Afghanistan, as he has requested, but that he has also been denied the opportunity to mount his legal defense. The refusal by a military judge, to allow him to use the defense that this war is illegal, serves to silence him and will likely send him to prison for up to six years. It is as harsh as if he had duct tape slapped on his mouth. One might expect this kind of cruel machination to happen in a dictatorship, not in a country where "free speech" and "fair trial" are iconic principles. But it is true. Lt. Watada is being denied his basic right to a fair trial. So, the court martial at Fort Lewis, as it turns out, is not just a case of dissent against the Iraq war, but it is also a case of abrogation of freedom of speech. So, this case has all of the hallmarks of history-making about it: big issues of upholding the highest law of the land, one young hero versus a mighty military institution and a manipulation of justice which threatens the basic tenet of free speech.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On Feb. 5, at Fort Lewis, when the United States Army will put Lt. Ehren Watada on trial under rules that prevent him from a fair trial. They will try to paint him as weak and disrespectful, since they have added charges of behavior unbecoming an officer. But Ehren Watada is neither weak nor disrespectful. As a military officer, he is compelled by the highest law of the land to defend the Constitution. He sees that the Unites States Constitution trumps deployment orders to an illegal war. He is sacrificing his personal freedom to protect us from the effects of diminished democracy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The question is, do we let him stand alone? Do we remain aloof while he defends our precious democracy and pays the heavy price? Do we sit quietly while free speech is shut down, knowing that the loss of free speech for one voice is a loss for us all? Do we remain apathetic while Lt. Watada challenges the very legality of this dreadful war that is being waged in our name? Or do we rise up, show solidarity, join with the lieutenant, decry the rules that silence him, collectively spurn the actions that will jail this young hero, unite our voices with his against an unlawful war and show that we cherish our democracy, too? By our presence at the gates of Fort Lewis on the day of the trial, we can stand as witnesses to the travesty that brings courage, and we can say with our voices, with our banners and with our hearts, "Thank you, lieutenant. We salute you."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   &lt;/td&gt;   &lt;/tr&gt;      &lt;tr&gt;     &lt;td colspan="2" class="modifydate" align="left"&gt;      Last Updated ( Friday, 26 January 2007 )&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2577673389691344419-2646540403052731137?l=creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/feeds/2646540403052731137/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2577673389691344419&amp;postID=2646540403052731137' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/2646540403052731137'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/2646540403052731137'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/2008/01/lt-ehren-watada-hero.html' title='Lt. Ehren Watada, hero???'/><author><name>Creeco</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11612111982896714908</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cfxWmRCq5xw/R4_fWCGRv1I/AAAAAAAAAAM/I2kTJEAXmSE/s72-c/banner.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2577673389691344419.post-3822442427603941551</id><published>2008-01-12T17:16:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-17T21:00:10.543-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Don't Knock It Until You Rock It</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:courier new;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;To be honest, I'm not really excited about starting a blog. I guess they've become a legitimate media to relay messages over the past few years but I'm still kind of skeptical. There is no evidence to back-up this statement, but I feel like 99% of blogs are worthless. I'm hoping this blog is not worthless but I make no promises.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A ray of light: I originally thought Facebook was stupid. I resisted for awhile until I folded to peer pressure, and it actually grew on me.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2577673389691344419-3822442427603941551?l=creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/feeds/3822442427603941551/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2577673389691344419&amp;postID=3822442427603941551' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/3822442427603941551'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2577673389691344419/posts/default/3822442427603941551'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://creecos-catastrophe.blogspot.com/2008/01/dont-knock-it-until-you-rock-it.html' title='Don&apos;t Knock It Until You Rock It'/><author><name>Creeco</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11612111982896714908</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
